Norspan - side effects - Depression and Anxiety?

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1 year 3 weeks ago #28788 by edinburgh89
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YES!!! My GP did not tell me this at all, and instead wanted me to get an SSRI. I spoke to my own thyroid GP who suggested the norspan could cause all the anxiety and guess what... the common side effects for nosrpan is anxiety: this is taken off the medicine real information sheet:
ADVERSE REACTIONS
Adverse reactions that may be associated with NORSPAN® patch therapy in clinical use are similar to those observed with other opioid analgesics and tend to reduce with time, with the exception of constipation.
The following adverse reactions have been reported.

Common
anxiety, confusion, depression*, insomnia, nervousness, paraesthesia affect lability, agitation, concentration impairment, coordination abnormal, depersonalization, dysarthria, dysgeusia, euphoric mood, hallucination, hypoaesthesia, libido decreased, memory impairment, migraine, nightmare, restlessness, sedation, sleep disorder, syncope*, tremor
dysequilibrium, numbness, psychotic disorder
dependence, mood swings, muscle fasciculation

You can read them by just googling norspan patch info.. I cant attach it here but these are known side effects. I ripped off my patch and will be demanding to see my GP next week... this is not good enough!

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1 year 3 weeks ago #28789 by Johnno
Hey Edinburgh89,

I can understand your anger but your GP is not at fault for him to be the blame he would be printing out pages of information about medication and not seeing patients , the people who could or should be at fault are your pharmacy they should know if you have been on this before if you haven’t they should print off a facts guide so as to make you understand what the potential side effects are .
Your GP diagnoses and prescribes medication your pharmacist are duty bound to inform your of the side effects if any .
Hope this helps
Johnno

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1 year 3 weeks ago #28792 by edinburgh89
Replied by edinburgh89 on topic Norspan - side effects - Depression and Anxiety?
HI.. I disagree.. a GP should not be prescribing more medicines.. i.e. anti depressants to cope with the side effects of the first drug.. otherwise its too easy to end up on massive drug cocktails.... not good.. and should have been discussed, not just told to take more drugs

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1 year 3 weeks ago #28793 by Johnno
Hi edinbutgh89,

I went to a pain conference at the RBWH they had a number of guest speakers specialists etc who all discussed networking with their fellow specialists I listened because they also discussed the overuse of opioid based medication, there was a lady specialist who took the podium and stated that the use of opioid medication had increased four fold in ten years and druggies were picking norspan patches out of the bin at nursing homes so as to suck on them to get a high ( this totally revolted me) after her came a gentleman who had a commitee who discussed chronic pain & had 1 (one) user on the committee)
We couldn’t ask question till after lunch I was classed in specialist speak as a user ( not that anyone said that to my face) after lunch we were allowed to ask questions , I particularly asked about this networking bisso was it just a way to get government funding to look at CP and it’s sufferers,I questioned the dear lady who claimed that opioid had increased and asked the whole forum of specialists that perhaps GPs who are the front line in Dr speak , perhaps they had found something that helps to reduce the pain we suffer ( I was on 150mg tramadol ) to help me sleep my pain physician ask me to stop the usage and try panadol osteo (2 x 3 times a day)well those and their fellowship of seven pills have finally helped me get some sort of sleep if I’m in a lot of pain I’ll take an endone or two as well .


(Night time
Lyrica 300mg
Endep 200mg
Circadin x 2
Oxycodone 10mg
Panadol osteo x2
Some of those above are anti depressants as well as pain blockers ,I also have nerves burnt in my lumbar (L4down ) every six months or so .)

I then moved on to the learned specialist and quizzed him about the commitee and the lack of users on the commitee and without more users how would he ever understand.
So returning to GPs I put this to these specialists who work in their chosen specialist field that GPs are the triage of the medical world they see huge amounts of patients with different maladies and they have to have the skills and knowledge to be able to judge and diagnose fairly accurately what you are suffering from when you consider of all the potential illness’ that you may be suffering they have the knowledge to say that a certain medication should help, remembering they need to know hell of a lot of different medications on the market.
When you take your script to the pharmacy it is their duty to inform you and supply you with a fact sheet with all of the potential side effects .

If I can ask what are you suffering from ,if you are suffering depression and or anxiety there is a myriad of medications that can and do help relieve depression and anxiety and norspan is one of them .

If your GP prescribed a certain medication he would have known some of the side effects both positive and negative so be mindful he quite possibly believed that the positives outweighed the negatives.
You should have asked your prescribing GP if you were concerned no another Dr you shouldn’t question what your GP has prescribed with another Dr especially when you get the fact sheet from your pharmacy .
I’m only mentioning this as if you have a good GP you need to keep them on side as they can make our lives terrible .
See below
A clinical trial conducted at Harvard Medical School in the mid-1990s demonstrated that a majority of persons with non‑psychotic unipolar depression who were refractory to conventional antidepressants and electroconvulsive therapy could be successfully treated with buprenorphine or norspan .[60][61][62][63][64][65][66] Clinical depression is currently not an approved indication for the use of any opioid.

Buprenorphine/samidorphan (ALKS-5461), a combination product of buprenorphine and samidorphan (a preferential μ-opioid receptor antagonist), is currently undergoing phase III clinical trials in the United States for augmentation of antidepressant therapy for treatment-resistant depression.[67]

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5 months 1 week ago #29449 by Hope16
Anyone know if I’m on 5mg patch’s for 3 weeks will I get bad withdrawals

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2 months 1 week ago #29778 by AlPanico
Dear Hannah,
I feel for you and know exactly what you are going through. I have had chronic pain for years now and have been prescribed Norspan 10mcg in 08/2016 after seeing the Chronic Pain clinic at the RBWH (Brisbane).
Initially I felt great, pain under controland happy, almost euphoric. I got a $5000 loan of a friend and bought a used Espresso Coffee machine as I thought I could continue my self employment which I stopped as a sign writer due to pain. After 2-3 months everything started to go pear-shaped. I started to get really depressed and anxious. Even a trip to the shops became a real effort for me.
I discussed this with my GP and mentioned that I think it may be a side effect to Norspan. He didn't think so and prescribed me Mirtazapine to take at night for sleeping and anti depression.
Sleeping was somewhat better but still no good, so he prescribed me some Alepam (similar to diazepam but weaker). I was sleeping well then but was concerned about needing valium now to sleep as I am a very conservative about taking ANY medication, having been a paramedic many years ago and seen some bad cases of medication addiction.
In Nov. 2017 I had my yearly check-up at the Pain clinic again and mentioned my depression and my concerns about Norspan side-effects. The specialist who saw me was in a rush and didn't agree with my concerns. He scheduled me in to see a psychiatrist.
3 days later on 27/11/2017 I attempted suicide by cutting my pulse on the left wrist. As paramedic I knew what to do but only made a very small cut to 'go slowly'. After 4 hours there was about 2 - 2.5 liters of blood in the bucket and cold sweat on my forehead. I knew I had about 15-20 minutes left before I would fall unconscious. By then I changed my min d and called for help.
I was admitted to hospital and spent 3 weeks in the psych ward. All the doctors I saw there also dismissed my concerns about Norspan side-effects. Released in 12/2017 I struggled all through 2018 with depression until October, when a friend send me another friend who is a clinical psychologist. He visited me and suggested to see a specialist psychiatrist who treats depression related to chronic pain.
In October 2018, after 2 years and 3 months of agony, this specialist took me off Norspan and prescribed Palexia slow release tablets. Since this day my depression has disappeared completely !!!
Although Palexia is also an opiod they do not cause me ANY side-effects, my pain is very well controlled and I do not even need the occasional Endone 5mg that I needed on top of Norspan about 3 days a week.
Talk to your Doctor and show him this reply. I am happy to be contacted by phone also, 0400 019 045, AL.
Today I went to hospital to visit a senior friend of mine and on my way home I ran into one of the Doctors from the psych ward at the bus stop. he still recognized me (I'm 6'6" and people always remember me ;) )
I told him all I have just written here and he was very thankful for me telling him as he wasn't aware of Norspan causing depression, although DEPRESSION IS LISTED AS A POSSIBLE SIDE_EFFECT TO NORSPAN !!!
Thank you for reading and ALL THE BEST
AL Panico, 0400 019 045

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